Delicious FruitI wanna be the Oblique Torment 2
Creators: MooMooArmageddon, RandomErik, MaxFlyMan, OMGUY, TwistedB
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ameliandyou
This review contains spoilers for the first 3 sections of oblique torment 2.
Also note that I will not be directly giving it a rating because this review isn't based on the complete game, and I also really don't want to hurt the score. This is a really really well made game in a lot of aspects, and I really hope that the game performs well rating and popularity wise.
Also note that even though my review is going to be a bit negative, this review is intended to provide constructive feedback to help moo moo make more amazing games in the future.
As stated before, I have only completed the first 3 chapters sadly :( idk what happens later in the game but i am basing this review as if the game only was the first 3 sections.
Also note that I had no clue what I would be playing before downloading the game. I just heard it being talked about a bunch and I think I got it mixed up with Ance tournament somehow? It wasn't until I installed the game that I realized it was TORMENT not TOURNAMENT. I also didn't realize it was a sudoku game lol.
I also am going to be keeping track of the amount of times I mention 4 common complaints being generic corridor needle, blind jumps, saves being placed far away from the actual platforming, and waiting for a killer to move up and down. This isn't to be petty, more to illustrate how even though those 4 things seem small, they are issues that plague nearly every section in the game.
Also to clarify, when I say corridor needle i mean boring sections with 64 - 128 pixels of vertical space where the main jumps are diagonals, gates, and almost anything if you only have 64 pixels of vertical space.
Also also far away saves are just a really common example of poor save balancing, MANY of the saves have like really hard / blindish jumps at the end, but its much less subjective to only count the far away saves.
Intro:
Its a good intro. I could do without the diamond but it sets the tone / difficulty for the game right off the bat. I wish the climb to the diamond wasn't as boring but oh well. The visuals are really unique and I think it works well.
Eyes:
I really liked this area. first save is far from the action and has a blocker for some reason (1)? The eyes are interesting to jump through and the lips are also kinda fun. Even though the jumps are a bit bland I wouldn't consider it corridor needle because the eyes makes it feel unique. I also thought the visuals were amazing.
Mario Kart:
Its decent. Fun gimmick (which actually changes the gameplay :D), however it does have the issue of having sections were you awkwardly wait for some marios to move up and down (1). I wouldn't consider this corridor needle as even though it is in a corridor the cycles feel unique for the most part. Poor toads that died :(
Bad Physics:
Loved this section! It mixed up the gameplay in a creative way and was fun to play.
Plastic:
Yikes. The gimmick (screen rotating 45 degrees and inverting the screen every second or so) doesn't improve the gameplay at all. It just forces you to awkwardly wait until you can actually see the jump. All the jumps are like gates and stuff, they aren't complex enough to disincentive the player from just waiting because they all like less than a second. corridor needle (1). I liked the idea of this section but the really generic needle doesn't mesh with the gimmick at all.
Spongebob boss:
Fun first boss! I have no issues. A bit dizzying but that is kinda the point lol
Reimu:
I didn't like this section i am really sorry :(. Excessive screen shake is fine enough but the platforming isn't very interesting. This section has all 4 common issues: corridor needle (2), boring cycles where something goes up and down (2), blind jumps (its really hard to know what killed you on one of the screen transitions) (1), and saves being placed way too far away (2).
Aztec:
Corridor needle (with rng :D) (3). The visuals are fun though!
Glitch:
I like the visuals! Gameplay wise though.... its corridor needle (4) with cherries going up and down (3). also has some annoying blind jumps (2) in the later parts. I don't remember save balancing being a huge issue.
Spaceship:
Loved this section! 0 major complaints as it mixed up the gameplay in a very unique way with fun visuals.
Ufo boss:
Its ok. I am glad you can skip the intro with s and the visuals are fun. Its really annoying that the bullets from the pickle persist if they go off screen preventing you from shooting but oh well. Its also not clear that the pickle doesn't kill you.
Camera:
I liked parts of this section because the gimmick is a lot of fun. Gameplay wise... Far save / poor save balance (3) Boring cycle (bounce up and down) (4) Corridor needle (5) and Blind jumps (3). I liked the part where the things destroyed the camera, and I liked some of the parts of this section as the camera did impact the gameplay in a unique way.
Shifting Screen:
The gimmick didn't really seem to impact the gameplay sadly. Corridor needle (6) but I don't remember much else about it.
Eye Moon Things:
I liked this section even if the walks were super long. It changed up the gameplay in a fun enough way.
Cat and Man Intermission:
No issues. I am not sure if I fully understand the jokes but it was silly and fun.
Fractal:
I really want to say corridor needle but I won't. Its fun and the visuals are super creative :D
Dark Zoomed Cycles:
I liked this section. However.. Corridor Needle (7) Blind jumps (4) The moving spikes made the gameplay pretty interesting :D
Jon:
This section wasn't very fun. Its extremely long, poor jump balancing and like a million blind jumps save issues (4) and blind jumps (5). Isn't corridor needle but very corridor needle core. with fun diagonals and wacky gates.
Michael Jackson Boss:
Yikes. I have a lot of issues with this fight, why can't you skip the intro ;-; you could on the ufo and this one is also super long.... The enemies it summons have way too small hitboxes the bullets just go through them. ;-; idk.
Oke! So that was the first 3 areas. I might not play any more sadly, and while the highs were really fun, some of the lows really impacted the overall experience.
Of the 14 main gameplay sections that weren't bosses (sorry if I miscounted / missed some)
3/14 of them had boring cycle issues,
4/14 of them had major save issues,
5/14 of them had issues with blind jumps,
7/14 of them were corridor needle focused.
I really wish there was more in the game to make the actual gameplay more unique. When half of the sections I played can be boiled down to corridor needle with fun visuals, that is a big issue lol. Blind jumps being prevalent make the experience a bit frustrating. I really wish more was done with cycles as well. I think the mario one had some interesting parts cycle wise, but having 3 of the few cycle based sections have the "awkward wait for something that moves up and down" issue, it doesn't help the corridor needle feel of the game. Save issues are more me not liking to walk lol, it could be me being lazy.
On to the positives:
I like how every section is short and sweet. Even if the difficulty is all over the place, it is super fun to see what will happen in the next section as they all feel pretty different from each other. The amount of super impressive visual effects is staggering, the game excels in creating fun wacky environments (even if at times they hurt a bit). The effort put into the little things, like the transition into going to space or the pick the cute friend section is something I love as well.
This game wasn't for me, but I am positive those who enjoy these sort of games will love this! Excited to see more from moo moo.
[6] Likes
Also note that I will not be directly giving it a rating because this review isn't based on the complete game, and I also really don't want to hurt the score. This is a really really well made game in a lot of aspects, and I really hope that the game performs well rating and popularity wise.
Also note that even though my review is going to be a bit negative, this review is intended to provide constructive feedback to help moo moo make more amazing games in the future.
As stated before, I have only completed the first 3 chapters sadly :( idk what happens later in the game but i am basing this review as if the game only was the first 3 sections.
Also note that I had no clue what I would be playing before downloading the game. I just heard it being talked about a bunch and I think I got it mixed up with Ance tournament somehow? It wasn't until I installed the game that I realized it was TORMENT not TOURNAMENT. I also didn't realize it was a sudoku game lol.
I also am going to be keeping track of the amount of times I mention 4 common complaints being generic corridor needle, blind jumps, saves being placed far away from the actual platforming, and waiting for a killer to move up and down. This isn't to be petty, more to illustrate how even though those 4 things seem small, they are issues that plague nearly every section in the game.
Also to clarify, when I say corridor needle i mean boring sections with 64 - 128 pixels of vertical space where the main jumps are diagonals, gates, and almost anything if you only have 64 pixels of vertical space.
Also also far away saves are just a really common example of poor save balancing, MANY of the saves have like really hard / blindish jumps at the end, but its much less subjective to only count the far away saves.
Intro:
Its a good intro. I could do without the diamond but it sets the tone / difficulty for the game right off the bat. I wish the climb to the diamond wasn't as boring but oh well. The visuals are really unique and I think it works well.
Eyes:
I really liked this area. first save is far from the action and has a blocker for some reason (1)? The eyes are interesting to jump through and the lips are also kinda fun. Even though the jumps are a bit bland I wouldn't consider it corridor needle because the eyes makes it feel unique. I also thought the visuals were amazing.
Mario Kart:
Its decent. Fun gimmick (which actually changes the gameplay :D), however it does have the issue of having sections were you awkwardly wait for some marios to move up and down (1). I wouldn't consider this corridor needle as even though it is in a corridor the cycles feel unique for the most part. Poor toads that died :(
Bad Physics:
Loved this section! It mixed up the gameplay in a creative way and was fun to play.
Plastic:
Yikes. The gimmick (screen rotating 45 degrees and inverting the screen every second or so) doesn't improve the gameplay at all. It just forces you to awkwardly wait until you can actually see the jump. All the jumps are like gates and stuff, they aren't complex enough to disincentive the player from just waiting because they all like less than a second. corridor needle (1). I liked the idea of this section but the really generic needle doesn't mesh with the gimmick at all.
Spongebob boss:
Fun first boss! I have no issues. A bit dizzying but that is kinda the point lol
Reimu:
I didn't like this section i am really sorry :(. Excessive screen shake is fine enough but the platforming isn't very interesting. This section has all 4 common issues: corridor needle (2), boring cycles where something goes up and down (2), blind jumps (its really hard to know what killed you on one of the screen transitions) (1), and saves being placed way too far away (2).
Aztec:
Corridor needle (with rng :D) (3). The visuals are fun though!
Glitch:
I like the visuals! Gameplay wise though.... its corridor needle (4) with cherries going up and down (3). also has some annoying blind jumps (2) in the later parts. I don't remember save balancing being a huge issue.
Spaceship:
Loved this section! 0 major complaints as it mixed up the gameplay in a very unique way with fun visuals.
Ufo boss:
Its ok. I am glad you can skip the intro with s and the visuals are fun. Its really annoying that the bullets from the pickle persist if they go off screen preventing you from shooting but oh well. Its also not clear that the pickle doesn't kill you.
Camera:
I liked parts of this section because the gimmick is a lot of fun. Gameplay wise... Far save / poor save balance (3) Boring cycle (bounce up and down) (4) Corridor needle (5) and Blind jumps (3). I liked the part where the things destroyed the camera, and I liked some of the parts of this section as the camera did impact the gameplay in a unique way.
Shifting Screen:
The gimmick didn't really seem to impact the gameplay sadly. Corridor needle (6) but I don't remember much else about it.
Eye Moon Things:
I liked this section even if the walks were super long. It changed up the gameplay in a fun enough way.
Cat and Man Intermission:
No issues. I am not sure if I fully understand the jokes but it was silly and fun.
Fractal:
I really want to say corridor needle but I won't. Its fun and the visuals are super creative :D
Dark Zoomed Cycles:
I liked this section. However.. Corridor Needle (7) Blind jumps (4) The moving spikes made the gameplay pretty interesting :D
Jon:
This section wasn't very fun. Its extremely long, poor jump balancing and like a million blind jumps save issues (4) and blind jumps (5). Isn't corridor needle but very corridor needle core. with fun diagonals and wacky gates.
Michael Jackson Boss:
Yikes. I have a lot of issues with this fight, why can't you skip the intro ;-; you could on the ufo and this one is also super long.... The enemies it summons have way too small hitboxes the bullets just go through them. ;-; idk.
Oke! So that was the first 3 areas. I might not play any more sadly, and while the highs were really fun, some of the lows really impacted the overall experience.
Of the 14 main gameplay sections that weren't bosses (sorry if I miscounted / missed some)
3/14 of them had boring cycle issues,
4/14 of them had major save issues,
5/14 of them had issues with blind jumps,
7/14 of them were corridor needle focused.
I really wish there was more in the game to make the actual gameplay more unique. When half of the sections I played can be boiled down to corridor needle with fun visuals, that is a big issue lol. Blind jumps being prevalent make the experience a bit frustrating. I really wish more was done with cycles as well. I think the mario one had some interesting parts cycle wise, but having 3 of the few cycle based sections have the "awkward wait for something that moves up and down" issue, it doesn't help the corridor needle feel of the game. Save issues are more me not liking to walk lol, it could be me being lazy.
On to the positives:
I like how every section is short and sweet. Even if the difficulty is all over the place, it is super fun to see what will happen in the next section as they all feel pretty different from each other. The amount of super impressive visual effects is staggering, the game excels in creating fun wacky environments (even if at times they hurt a bit). The effort put into the little things, like the transition into going to space or the pick the cute friend section is something I love as well.
This game wasn't for me, but I am positive those who enjoy these sort of games will love this! Excited to see more from moo moo.
Rating: N/A
Difficulty: N/A
Jul 24, 2024
bantsmen
Disclaimer: I voice-acted one line in this game. I highly doubt this put any bias in my opinion of this game, but I figured I should mention it for transparency's sake.
An improvement over the first Oblique Torment, but it still unfortunately suffers from many of the same issues. Like the original, this game is heavily inspired by Hereditary Baldness 2 and Hereditary Baldness 2 Chapter 2. The visual "production value" of this game is noticeably higher and the anticipation of what wacky thing you'll see next is probably the main appeal of this game. There's many different references all over this game which can be both a good and a bad thing. While it's cool to see so many references to many cool things, it also makes them feel derivative. This may seem to be a silly criticism for an IWBTG fangame as these are known for referencing other things all the time, I feel that one of the main appeals of HB2 was how unexpected and unique every part of it felt, and that feeling is lost when the game is purposefully trying to be like HB2. The reason why I feel Burnmind, another fangame that references HB2, gets away with it and this game doesn't is because Burnmind has fantastic level design and gameplay to back it up which brings me to my main issue with this game: the level design and gameplay.
While there are less long annoying saves in this instalment, there still are quite a few. They can be particularly soul crushing when you get stuck on one, especially a rather nasty one near the end of the game. What's worse is that there's no debug keys to carry through obnoxious sections like the first game, so you gotta tough it through everything (there's a reason Hereditary Baldness 2 has them). My second major gripe is how uninspired and bland a lot of the level design is. Don't get me wrong, some areas actually do have some decent design that make good use of that screen's gimmick like the Mario Kart screen, however quite a few screens have level design that is more or less just corridor needle. The worst offender is probably the needle rave screen which has stickmen raving around needle, there is no gimmick beyond the visuals and the needle is the kind of uninspired generic design you'd see in an early 2010s needle game that you would only play today by rolling it in roulette. There's also some screens that I don't feel use the gimmick to its full potential like the "bad camera" stage. The first part of the stage is just tight corridors with bouncing apples, the camera gimmick barely matters at all. The second part is where the gimmick actually matters since it can hit blocks that make it stop moving, but it doesn't last very long and was pretty much the only time you need to care about the gimmick. I disliked most boss fights: the Spongebob had way too much health and his projectiles were too fast to react to. The UFO had really boring attacks that force you to dodge them in a specific way to avoid being chased eternally by a homing projectile, MJ is actually kinda OK once you know you can shoot the enemies but his intro is unskippable, the ouroboros is just memorizing a movement pattern (the stuff after is OK though, shame you have to beat ouroboros every time to see it), the Norton boss is RNG hell, the Spam boss has all the issues it had on OT1 (too much health, RNG hell), and the Milk has the same issues it had in Baffling (too much health, RNG hell).
I hope this mostly negative review isn't discouraging. There's a lot that goes into good game design and it's hard say exactly how one should improve their game's design, as there's so many ways to do it. This game has great, audio, visuals, and ideas, but without great design to tie it all together it falls flat. I think with enough effort into studying how well liked games do their design and how to implement a similar approach, this maker has the potential to make a truly wonderful fangame, and I hope to be there when it happens.
[5] Likes
An improvement over the first Oblique Torment, but it still unfortunately suffers from many of the same issues. Like the original, this game is heavily inspired by Hereditary Baldness 2 and Hereditary Baldness 2 Chapter 2. The visual "production value" of this game is noticeably higher and the anticipation of what wacky thing you'll see next is probably the main appeal of this game. There's many different references all over this game which can be both a good and a bad thing. While it's cool to see so many references to many cool things, it also makes them feel derivative. This may seem to be a silly criticism for an IWBTG fangame as these are known for referencing other things all the time, I feel that one of the main appeals of HB2 was how unexpected and unique every part of it felt, and that feeling is lost when the game is purposefully trying to be like HB2. The reason why I feel Burnmind, another fangame that references HB2, gets away with it and this game doesn't is because Burnmind has fantastic level design and gameplay to back it up which brings me to my main issue with this game: the level design and gameplay.
While there are less long annoying saves in this instalment, there still are quite a few. They can be particularly soul crushing when you get stuck on one, especially a rather nasty one near the end of the game. What's worse is that there's no debug keys to carry through obnoxious sections like the first game, so you gotta tough it through everything (there's a reason Hereditary Baldness 2 has them). My second major gripe is how uninspired and bland a lot of the level design is. Don't get me wrong, some areas actually do have some decent design that make good use of that screen's gimmick like the Mario Kart screen, however quite a few screens have level design that is more or less just corridor needle. The worst offender is probably the needle rave screen which has stickmen raving around needle, there is no gimmick beyond the visuals and the needle is the kind of uninspired generic design you'd see in an early 2010s needle game that you would only play today by rolling it in roulette. There's also some screens that I don't feel use the gimmick to its full potential like the "bad camera" stage. The first part of the stage is just tight corridors with bouncing apples, the camera gimmick barely matters at all. The second part is where the gimmick actually matters since it can hit blocks that make it stop moving, but it doesn't last very long and was pretty much the only time you need to care about the gimmick. I disliked most boss fights: the Spongebob had way too much health and his projectiles were too fast to react to. The UFO had really boring attacks that force you to dodge them in a specific way to avoid being chased eternally by a homing projectile, MJ is actually kinda OK once you know you can shoot the enemies but his intro is unskippable, the ouroboros is just memorizing a movement pattern (the stuff after is OK though, shame you have to beat ouroboros every time to see it), the Norton boss is RNG hell, the Spam boss has all the issues it had on OT1 (too much health, RNG hell), and the Milk has the same issues it had in Baffling (too much health, RNG hell).
I hope this mostly negative review isn't discouraging. There's a lot that goes into good game design and it's hard say exactly how one should improve their game's design, as there's so many ways to do it. This game has great, audio, visuals, and ideas, but without great design to tie it all together it falls flat. I think with enough effort into studying how well liked games do their design and how to implement a similar approach, this maker has the potential to make a truly wonderful fangame, and I hope to be there when it happens.
Rating: 4.3 43
Difficulty: 60 60
Jul 26, 2024
Oothwophen
To hav fun w/ this game u needd:
A gud compter, goond keybord.., goodd luk,? guud paytiences,, and its bettr off cut yur hairr delbratelly b4hand., so da fkin heradtrry baadnes wont embrrass u dat haard..,,
two points were deducted from rating because: 1. i played w/ bad keyboard and bad RNG, i had a bad time; 2. this game bears resemblance to Hereditary Baldness, the fukin time machine again. is time machine all what you guys got huh? plz plz do something else nxt time; 3. many attacks from the final boss is kinda RNG'd, you'll have to pray to god for good RNGs, but god is dead lol
[4] Likes
A gud compter, goond keybord.., goodd luk,? guud paytiences,, and its bettr off cut yur hairr delbratelly b4hand., so da fkin heradtrry baadnes wont embrrass u dat haard..,,
two points were deducted from rating because: 1. i played w/ bad keyboard and bad RNG, i had a bad time; 2. this game bears resemblance to Hereditary Baldness, the fukin time machine again. is time machine all what you guys got huh? plz plz do something else nxt time; 3. many attacks from the final boss is kinda RNG'd, you'll have to pray to god for good RNGs, but god is dead lol
Rating: 8.0 80
Difficulty: 59 59
Jul 25, 2024
DarkMary
First clear used 5h and second used 2.5h.
There's the unevenness of difficulty. Just compare with the final boss, the tower climbing before it was TOO HARD. Even on the second playthrough, I still spent more time climbing the tower than the boss. The timing jump of the second half is really annoying.
But overall putting aside the difficulty imbalance and shit visual challenge, it's a good game.I would give it 7.5.
Love your level Omguy.
[1] Like
There's the unevenness of difficulty. Just compare with the final boss, the tower climbing before it was TOO HARD. Even on the second playthrough, I still spent more time climbing the tower than the boss. The timing jump of the second half is really annoying.
But overall putting aside the difficulty imbalance and shit visual challenge, it's a good game.I would give it 7.5.
Love your level Omguy.
Rating: 7.5 75
Difficulty: 63 63
Jul 31, 2024